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Roger T. Pipe I did want to talk to you.
Rob Black I'm a fucking great interview.
Roger T. Pipe I had to interview Tom first. He's the Icon, you're just you.
Rob Black I'm just me.
Roger T. Pipe Where are your horns today Rob?
Rob Black My horns?
Roger T. Pipe I keep hearing I should be looking for horns, but you look pretty docile today.
Rob Black I put them away so I wouldn't scare you.
Roger T. Pipe Anything you want to say to me?
Rob Black About what?
Roger T. Pipe About anything I may have said before.
Rob Black Nah, I'll get to that when it comes up.
Roger T. Pipe Then we'll get started. How did you gravitate into the porn business?
Rob Black Gravitate? Oh fuck. My dad was one of the first people in western New York who had adult book stores with peep shows. He was already in the business four years prior to me being born, so I grew up around it. We never had pornography around the house, but I knew what he did. He used to take me to the store. I would go in through the back to the office. There was no porn around, but I would sit and roll quarters from the peep machines.
That was my job. When I was done, my dad would give me a couple of rolls and I would go to the batting cages. I was like fourteen with a hundred dollars in fucking quarters. As I hit puberty, he would go downstairs and I would grab all the stuff I could. I was jerking off to DP's and shit when kids were just looking at Penthouse. I was jerking off to fucking Beta tapes. I got sucked off when I was twelve years old by a girl who was two years older.
I was in sixth grade and jerking off ten times a day. Then my dad opened up Zane. My uncle Chuck, who is a douche bag, a complete fucking scumbag cocksucker, is fifteen years younger than my dad and was always the piece of shit. My grandfather would always tell my dad to take care of him. My uncle was selling shoes when my dad had ten porno stores in New York. My grandfather cried like a caring father about his weak and meager son...
So my dad gave my uncle two stores. That's what got Chuck Zane started. As they got older, they decided to do a porn company. They did it and took a big bust for "Backside to the Future." It was the eighties and around the time of the Traci Lords scandal. After that my dad bailed out. He had gone to jail for tax evasion and the other bull shit they get pornographers for. He was arrested a hundred and fifty times. When he got out, he told my uncle 'it's yours. I put a hundred and fifty grand into the company.
Just give me that, and it's yours.' A few years later, my uncle bankrupted it because he's a fucking jerk off. He happened to hook up with John Bone and Max Hardcore and for a year Zane was big. My dad went to my uncle to get his money and he said 'that was from the company that went bankrupt, this is my new company.' I was introduced into that world at a young age.
Roger T. Pipe I take you don't have contact with your uncle any more?
Rob Black Fuck no.
Roger T. Pipe Go on.
Rob Black When I was in Rochester, I would always come out here for the CES shows. I was a buyer for the stores, so I was friends with a lot of the people in the business. I met Byron at a shoot. I had never seen a porn shoot. I was like twenty. It was Tom Byron and Jessie James. We got there and she wouldn't get in the tub because she didn't want to get bruised. (The phone starts ringing here and goes unanswered for the third time during the interview) They cancelled the scene, so I pull out some weed. This is when Tommy had the long hair and was Mr. Cool. I offered him some weed. He tried and was like 'this is fucking Mexican dirt weed. I've got some good weed.' We light that up and I'm just fucked up. I was just rambling, "I'm thinking about making my own company and coming out here." He's just in the mirror combing his hair because this is the night of the AVN Awards Show. He's giving me one word answers, yeah, no, whatever. Just a second Rog (The phone is ringing again, so Rob stops the interview and gets on the intercom.) Listen to me. Somebody answer the fucking phone on like two rings. Thank you Jimmy, wherever the fuck you are. (He slams the phone down.) See what I have to do? You can put that in the interview if you want. So, I'm sitting there with Tommy and I said "What are you going to do with your life?" He's told me since then that he hated me. He was thinking 'who is this kid and why is he bothering me?' He took me to the show, but he dropped me off because he didn't want to go in with me. He gave me his card. I told him I was going to do a movie in Rochester. I tried calling, but he never returned my calls. After that, I had decided I wanted to make porno. My dad kept telling me that I couldn't do it from Rochester, you don't know how hard it is, look at you uncle. They're cooks and scumbags. What I secretly did was shot a movie in Rochester. I flew people in and used my college money. Basically, it was money I wasn't authorized to use. I basically stole the money to shoot the first movie. Eddie and Mark at Plush distributed it with VCA. Then I shot my second one with Missy and Tricia Devereaux and Rick Masters. My dad probably knew what was going on, but he never let on. I am still convinced that if the shit didn't go down that way with my parents, I wouldn't be here. It was the struggle that made it come out like this. I was at VSDA and ready to promote Cellar Dweller and I got a call on my cell phone. My dad said "When you get home, we have to have a conversation." I knew I was in trouble. He confronted me, 'you stole this, you stole that' and I was like 'yeah but I'm going to make all this money. It became a shouting match, fuck you, no fuck you and I just left. I was moving to California with Tricia Devereaux to be Rob Black. I didn't talk to him for a year and a half, but that's how it happened. I guess I went off on a few tangents, but that's how I got into the world of porn.
Roger T. Pipe What were those first two movies you made?
Rob Black "Tender Loins" and "Cellar Dweller." Subsequently, Patrick bought "Cellar Dweller" off of me and we released it through Elegant Angel.
Roger T. Pipe How did you come to be with Elegant Angel?
Rob Black When the first movie went out, it had a guy with a shotgun in his mouth and all kinds of stuff. Russ at VCA had me in his office, telling me I can't do this, I can't do that. He said he was going to have to approve everything. I said no and he told me to get the fuck out. So there I was, no money, a movie in the can and no job. I knew a couple of friends at AVN and they started calling other companies and talked about this new director Rob Black and this and that. They called up Mickey Blank when he was at Sin City. Mickey said 'have him come by at the end of next week.' This was on a Monday, I was frantic. I called up Elegant. This is when Alves had just come to Elegant and he wanted to make all these changes. He had just got Tommy, just got Van and Greg was trying to build a company. He told me to come by and bring the movie. I drove there and of course, I got lost. I was three hours late. Everyone was gone, but Mike Cates answered the door. I was all stoned and shit. I told him I was supposed to drop this off for Greg. That next Monday, Greg called me in. He made me an offer and I refused the first offer. They offered me twelve movies at five thousand a movie and they would give me ten thousand for the movie I already had. I said no and Greg was amazed. He said, this is 70 grand. I just couldn't do it and I left. Tricia was in Europe shooting for Private. I had no money, hanging out with Rick Masters and Dave Hardman. They were feeding me pizza and shit. I remember calling Tricia and saying "I'm fucked." A few days later Greg calls me in and offered me ten thousand a movie, twelve movies. I said "OK." Then I left and called everyone, screaming like a little bitch. I called by brother and told him. He thought I was full of shit. I started work three days later and there was Tommy. He already knew I was coming and he was like "That loud, obnoxious piece of shit from New York? Are you serious?" For about four months, me and Tommy hated each other. We despised each other. That was the start.
Rob Black Absolutely. We've been friends since the end of ninety six, so for four years. For the last two years, we've lived together. I've never been friends with someone and not had an argument, and Tommy and I just don't fight. Our personalities are so different, but the perfect fit. We disagree, but it's always a minor thing and it's easy to work out. Even when we didn't like each other, we didn't fight. We would call each other names, but mostly we just ignored each other. Back then, Tommy had that picture on the Cumback Pussy box with his thumb up. When I started Dr. Fellatio, I got my friend Andy, this big fat kid, we put him in a wig and had him with the thumb up. We never argue, it's very weird. In relationships with girls, guys whatever, there is always give and take. One person is always the dominant one, but we mesh better than that. I'm the dominant one, the one who takes the lead and Tommy crafts how we're going to do it. It's the perfect partnership.
Roger T. Pipe You sound almost like an old married couple.
Rob Black Lizzy always breaks our balls about that. Sometimes it's like that. He shoots his movies on Saturdays, that's his day to fuck. I sleep until twelve or one. Me and Lizzy get up, go to the mall, play video games or whatever. We're done by eight, we go by Boston Market, pick up food and bring it home. Tommy comes downstairs and we eat dinner. I know his schedule. We're equals. In ninety six when I started, I met him and Tricia and he's the only one still with me after all these years. This business is full of scumbags and shitheels. We've built shit that no one thought we could and no one will ever be able to duplicate. Look at us, we were just two loudmouthed directors from Elegant Angel who took on the industry.
Whether you like our shit or not, you can't deny that we created a company that sells a lot of product and is re-inventing things every few months.
Roger T. Pipe Tommy covered the split from Elegant pretty well in his interview, did you want to add your take on it?
Rob Black Tommy covered it perfectly, but I'll put my two cents in. Here we are two years later and Patrick is still so bitter. Any time they re-package any of the movies I directed, they take my name off as the director. The DVD for "Miscreants" has "Actress of the Year." "Supporting Actress of the Year" and "Directed by Elegant Angel." I think it's funny and childish. I have always spoken the truth about what Patrick did for us and what he didn't do for us. I never just said he was a scumbag. I said he was a scumbag and gave a reason, but at the same time, he gave me and Tommy our shot. He gave me my chance to be as crazy as I wanted to be and to be the pioneer for all these fucking people who come after me and want to be me. The new directors want to be worse than Rob Black. Patrick gave me that opportunity. He was like "that's great, do it." I went in there and said "I want to do this movie "Shooting Gallery", it's going to be based around Missy shooting heroin." I have never denied the fundamental importance of what he allowed me to do. He let me talk to the customers who I ended up dealing with when we left to
sell our own product. I have always been appreciative of those things that Patrick did do for us. What wasn't appreciated was the way things went down and the way he treats it now. What we did was no different than what he did to John Stagliano. At least we went to him and said 'we don't want to leave. This is what we want.' He didn't do that, he just left. We talked to him about it and he just told us we couldn't do this and we couldn't do that. He tried to break our balls and hold things up. That makes him a douche bag. For the most part, we had good times. We would go on vacations together. Elegant Angel was what we have at Extreme now. It's a family environment. We would all go to Patrick's house and hang out. Towards the end, when Patrick started taking pills again, he just turned into a different person. He never recognized what we did for that company. That fucking company was not what it was when we came on. Elegant was just him and Nick Starks doing black fucking movies. We gave Elegant the personality it had. That year we won all of those awards. You go to that booth and it was Rob Black, Tom Byron, Van Damage, Tiffany Mynx and Stephanie Swift. It was this perfect nucleus. It was this perfect football team that went sixteen and zero, won the Super Bowl and then the owner decides to break it up because he doesn't want to pay the players. It was a dismantling and even though we aren't winning the super bowl or selling out the arenas, the owner is still making the same because he isn't paying out as much. That's why Patrick is what he is... But by the same token, if he didn't do that, we wouldn't be where we are. Without the opportunity to leave, we couldn't have had the opportunity to branch out. That first year, we were Extreme, we were the bad ass cocksuckers who no one could figure out. Then I got into wrestling and for the last eleven months, we have laid low. Now I have the bug back and it's time to start talking loud again. Our firing of John Blatt, our new box design is just getting us back to what you know. We're back and we'll just fucking kill you.
Roger T. Pipe How many movies have you directed?
Rob Black From the beginning, or just here?
Roger T. Pipe Both.
Rob Black Forty to fifty.
Roger T. Pipe If you had to pick one to give to someone as your best work to date, which one would it be and why?
Rob Black It would be a toss up between "The Cellar" and "Miscreants". Cellar is the first movie when we did our own thing. Me and Tommy had fun with that. Technically, I think it could have been better if we would have shot it on Beta, but it was crazy. That was back when I was still drinking and smoking weed and shit. It was a frat house. We did twelve hours of dialog on Tommy's birthday, on a Sunday. We were fucked up beyond belief. The midget that was in it was fucked up. We were stoned and drunk and had a blast. Then "Miscreants", I think I put it all together. I knew the whole vibe of how it was supposed to go. Some people liked it, some people didn't but it was what I wanted. Those would be the two movies I would hand to someone. They are both equally great.
Roger T. Pipe "The Cellar" is the movie with the Mila scene…
Rob Black With the black guys, yeah.
Roger T. Pipe Did you write that dialog or did you just give her some direction 'n that came out of her?
Rob Black I told her to go ahead and let loose, yell at them. I pretty much gave her free reign to use whatever epithets she wanted.
Roger T. Pipe What about charges that your movies are anti-woman?
Rob Black Sure they are. Anti-woman in the sense that some of my stuff has a woman being victimized. It all depends on what you see as pro-woman. If you think if a woman should walk into a room during a movie and be talked gently to and worshipped, then yeah. Pornography on the whole is anti-woman. I don't give a fuck if you're nice or not. Girls are treated like filthy fucking cunts. They're prostitutes and that's the heart of the matter. What are you going to do, tell Jerry Fawell that this Rob Black movie is worse than "Devil in Ms. Jones 6" by that Antonio Pascolini (sic) or whatever his name is. Now, if you find a girl in a wheelchair getting raped, beaten and fucked in an alley to be anti-woman, then my stuff is anti-woman. I've never denied that. People say to me 'your movies show violence towards women.' Yes, yes they do, what do you want from me? They also show violence towards men. I had Jack Hammer getting butt fucked by Annabelle Chong and that British chick in prison. You can say that about any movie. To me, any movie that portrays a woman as a fucking Senator could be considered anti-woman. Look at "Pretty Woman." She's a fucking whore. A filthy fucking whore who falls in love with this rich guy. The rich guys decides that he is going to take her from being a filthy fucking whore to being his girl. That's anti-woman. You're portraying a woman as a filthy whore. The only way she can rise out of her poverty and stop being a whore is because she happened to suck the dick of this rich guy. That's fucking anti-woman and it made a hundred million dollars. So, I really don't give a fuck what they feel about my movies.
Roger T. Pipe Are you anti-woman?
Rob Black No. I've got a fiancée. Am I anti-woman? No. Then again, what's anti-woman? Do I beat her and slap her? No. Do I treat her like a princess-goddess? No. I'm vulgar and crude, but that's who I am. I am anti-everybody. I don't give a fuck who it is. My mom comes out and I swear like a truck driver in front of my mom.
Roger T. Pipe During your porn career...
Rob Black Anything I could take back? No. I guess if I have any regrets, it's that I wasn't more of a dick on stage when I won all those AVN awards. I think that will be the only time you see a nasty, vulgar, anti-Christ of a symbol of porn ever go up on their awards show and accept an award.
Roger T. Pipe Do you want to comment on anyone who has been part of Extreme, but no longer here?
Rob Black Tommy covered a lot of that and he did it pretty well. The girls who have come and gone, have come and gone. I don't have anything bad to say. Everybody left because they didn't fit with the team any more. I've always equated my businesses to a football team. We picked the people we picked to fill a position on the team and when that position could be filled by someone else who was better, we filled it. There have been a lot of people who have come and gone, but there have also been a lot of people who have stayed. Luciano has been with us from the beginning.
Jessica Darlin and Luis Cypher have been with us from the beginning. With Jasmin, we used her, we shot a lot of her and then it just became too big a hassle. I was tired of pulling teeth and she was temperamental. Go work for other people, get your big money and shit. Ashlyn and her husband just made terrible movies. He did the chop shop style of movie making and his stuff sucked. Some of the other girls just didn't fit in with what we needed. Now, we are in the best place as a company that we've been in a while.
It's a good fit right now.
Roger T. Pipe The newest addition to the team is Thomas Zupko.
Rob Black That big fat fuck.
Roger T. Pipe A year ago he was putting "Fuck Rob Black" in his credits and talking a lot of smack about you guys. Now he's working for you.
Rob Black Ain't that fucking something? Now he's working for me. Everybody tries to play the game and only a select few are able to conquer the game. If you remember, when I started at Elegant Angel, what's the first thing I did? Fuck Paul Thomas, he's a faggot. Fuck Michael Ninn. I did Ninn so bad. Screw magazine printed something I said as a slam on Michael Ninn and gave his movie a bad rating.
Roger T. Pipe I just asked him this same question. Who is a better director, Rob Black or Thomas Zupko?
Rob Black Me. No question. Could he be better than me at some point? Yeah. I think Luis Cypher has the vision to be as good as me. It's not just shock though, it's a whole package. It's communicating with the people and playing the game. To be that director, you can't make the best movie then just forget about it. You have to be able to work the press and the actors. You have to be able to work everyone and have them do what you want.
Roger T. Pipe How long have you been a wrestling fan?
Rob Black Since I was like seven or eight years old.
Roger T. Pipe Did you think you would want to be in that business?
Rob Black Sure, I thought it would be fun. It's the ultimate movie. A live movie every week.
Roger T. Pipe At what point did it become a realistic goal for you to branch out into wrestling?
Rob Black I started to get involved with a company called ECW and thought I could do this. I have the creativity. I was getting ready to put the wheels in motion with them, when a local company had a flyer. I called them up. They were a bunch of twenty year old kids doing a local wrestling show. I sort of consumed it, brought in one of them to work here full time and it went from there. It just sort of happened.
Roger T. Pipe You have a weekly TV show right?
Rob Black A weekly show on America One, KJLA in LA. At midnight on Saturdays. America One is a syndication network that people can get from coast to coast. It goes out to twenty three million people.Roger T. Pipe What is your role in the XPW?
Rob Black I play the mentally unbalanced owner who thinks everyone is after him. I'm very paranoid and hated. I hate the fans and want to sell the company to WCW to make it a farm league, send the wrestlers to WCW and have them lose to the big stars. They hate me because I'm trying to take their baby away. All the kids who watch the show hate me for it. I love it.
Roger T. Pipe What are your plans for the XPW?
Rob Black Right now, we're looking into buying our own arena. We're looking at a three thousand seat club that will be the XPW arena. Then have weekend parties and shows every other week. We're pretty close on a couple of buildings, then we'll have to get permits and all, but it's moving forward. This has been good for me. I used to smoke a lot of weed and drink a lot. I cleaned that up and needed to fill that void with some challenge. Directing movies was no longer a challenge.
The challenge for me, was creating a company that could be an entertainment conglomerate. It's not a challenge to make people fuck then winning an AVN award for most outrageous sex scene. Let the kids who have never done that, do it. I lost interest the minute I got that Director of the Year Award. I did it, now what? My life hadn't changed, I had a stupid fucking gold trophy, but what's the challenge? The challenge was to own a company, instead of making a hundred and fifty thousand to make a hundred and fifty million.
The challenge is to have our own wrestling company, our own TV station, go out there and do that. That's the challenge for me, that's excitement. When I cleaned up I really needed that. I could easily have just kept on drinking and smoking and slop porno together and be like Roy Karch or Jim Enright.
Be this fucking twenty five year veteran shooting movies for rent and dinner money. Every year, making five movies for this company and two for this guy. I didn't want to become like these douche bags and that's what they are. The same people who were douche bags three years ago, are douche bags now. It's an endless, bottomless, hopeless life they lead. I was never going to become that. Every day, I come up with new ways for us to be bigger. I've been nine months away, but now we're back.
Come October, we've got some shit planned that's going to shake the foundation of this boring dinosaur filled shithole called porn. It will be fun. We'll see who comes out on top.
Roger T. Pipe All right. Anything we didn't touch on?
Rob Black I don't know. Whores, cunts, what do you want to talk about? Which ones are the filthiest whores? You have to have more questions than that Rog, I fucking know you.
Roger T. Pipe You performed in a couple of movies.
Rob Black Yeah, it was horrible.
Roger T. Pipe Why did you stop?
Rob Black I only did it for Tricia. I didn't want her fucking other dudes, so I did it. I put myself into roles I couldn't see other guys playing. Most of the porn people are horrible actors, so I couldn't see any of them playing that degenerate cop I played in "Week and a Half" They have no personality, it's horrible. Vince Vouyer, Marc Davis, James Bonn, Evan Stone, they're horrible. I did it for those reasons and I won't do it any more. Besides, it could damage my political career.
Roger T. Pipe Political career?
Rob Black Yeah, I'm running for Mayor next year.
Roger T. Pipe Mayor of what?
Rob Black Mayor of Los Angeles.
Roger T. Pipe Really? That will be fun.
Rob Black That is a complete truth. You're the first person to get this, an exclusive. We are going to turn Los Angles into a circus. It will be a great publicity angle, but I am going to go out there and fucking win. We'll have bill boards with me and Lizzie and Jessica and Kristi on my arms. It'll say, "Everybody wants to be like Black" or some shit. You want this dude with these porn chicks running your fucking city.
Roger T. Pipe Rob Black will do for Los Angeles what he did for porn and wrestling?
Rob Black Yes, that's a good campaign slogan. Somebody write that shit down. There will be no fucking bus strike when I'm Mayor. No janitorial strike either. Tell those fucking Mexicans to clean the fucking toilets or I'll ship them back over the border. They're all fucking illegal anyway.
Roger T. Pipe Is directing porn movies something that's still in your future, or are you full time into wrestling and politics?
Rob Black I am completely consumed with the wrestling and making this company grow. But, next year I am going to do a movie. It's going to be shot on film and a double cassette. It's all a game. I've been laying low for a while, now I have to come out with this. The return of Rob Black. What's it going to be? I'll do it, everyone will love it and I can say fuck you all, I'll see you in a couple of years. It's like when football players retire. They come back and the first comeback is always the biggest fucking thing. That won't be out until October first of next year for the new Rob Black movie.
It will phenomenal. They I can win best director of a film and add that statue. This time, when get up there, I will take that fucking trophy, throw it ten feet in the air and hit one of those jerk offs in the band and say "you can wipe your ass with this AVN award 'cuz it don't mean shit. I take twenty thousand a month in ads and they better give me my fucking award. Politic giving mother fuckers!" Then I'll walk back to my table and I'll leave.
Or maybe I'll get up there and give the award to my good friend Roy Karch. Or Matt Zane. That's it, I'll give it to the Zanes. That's some high quality fucking pornography. Those fucking jerk offs. I want to make sure this goes on record. Give me that. (Rob grabs the recorder from the table and holds it like a microphone.) Let's get this straight. I hate Matt & Mark Zane. They're complete losers just like their fucking father, Chuck Zane.
If I ever came face to face with that mother fucker, I would slap the shit out of that fat, forty five year old, useless douche bag. (He tosses the recorder back down on the table.)
Roger T. Pipe Now that we've let the gloves come off, is there anyone else in this business you have strong feelings about?
Rob Black (Rob smiles, spits a streamer of tobacco juice into an empty water bottle and picks up the recorder again.) Patrick Collins is a fucking asshole. He still cries about me every day. He actually had the building he's in exorcized to get out my demons. That's a fucking true story. He had to bring in a guy to get rid of the Rob Black spirit because I basically ruined his life.
Roger T. Pipe What about Vivid?
Rob Black I used to hate them and I still hate them, but there is some respect growing there. They are starting up their own cable channel. Stevie wants good product. He wants us and Evil and Elegant. His guy calls me up and the money they're offering is dogshit. They want us locked in for a three year deal which I'm not fucking doing. They want one movie a month at a ridiculous sum of money, under ten thousand, under six thousand and more than four thousand so you can do the math. So the most we get is sixty thousand a year for a movie that they are going to feature on their TV station. They have gone for quality. With Elegant, they can get all the old Rob Black and Tom Byron stuff. They could do two years of programming just form our stuff at Elegant. They can add our stuff, then put in the Rocco stuff from Evil and be set. They want me locked in for three years on that deal? Fuck them. I'm actually insulted that they would make that offer to me. Maybe Elegant would take it, maybe Evil would take it, but not Extreme. I don't need 5 grand a month that fucking bad to whore my stuff out like a fucking prostitute. Thanks.
Roger T. Pipe So you still hate them?
Rob Black I'm insulted, but I like what they're trying to do with this channel. That takes balls. Next name.
Roger T. Pipe What about Stagliano and Evil Angel?
Rob Black Evil is who they are. Some of the guys I like, some I don't... Stagliano just doesn't like me, he despises me because I said some derogatory things like he loves She-males. He took that very personally and he doesn't understand that we're playing the game. He truly feels that I am an evil human being.
Roger T. Pipe Are you?
Rob Black Well yeah, but we were just playing the game. I was going after Evil Angel. Remember, this is the same person who I went to when I was having troubles at Elegant. I pleaded with John to take me on. He told me "no, you suck." Remember, when I say these mean things about him, he's already told me I suck. Tommy's great, but you suck. If Tommy wants to come over to Evil, great, but Rob sucks. When we left Elegant to do our own thing, he had the balls to call Tommy up and try and take him away from me. I'm not supposed to hate him for that? Then when I wanted his company to distribute our stuff in Brazil, I sat in a booth with him and he made me an offer that was too low. I told him how much I wanted and he told me my shit wasn't worth it. He tells me I suck, tries to take my partner, then tells me my stuff isn't worth money, but I'm an asshole for saying mean things about him? That mother fucker threw stones at me first and he gets mad because I say he likes she-males and sucking, which he don't deny. And I'm a fucking asshole? I don't care any more, but that's the deal with Stagliano. I wanted to go there, but he said I sucked. Do you know what that feels like? Do you know what that does to an upcoming director? Especially when he tries to steal your best friend away at the same time, my cornerstone. Extreme Associates is Tom Byron and Rob Black and you have the balls to call up and say "Tommy, I'm in Brazil, give me a call we'll work something out." I'm not supposed to be bitter? Fuck you! Give me someone else.
Roger T. Pipe What do you think of Michael Ninn as a director?
Rob Black He's a fuckin' jerk off. Isn't he 50? A fifty year old guy who is embarrassed of the business. You never see him at shows. He doesn't want anyone to know he does porn. He's living a life of denial. He makes great effects movies. He's like N'Sync or Britney Spears. Look at N'Sync, pretty guys, I'd put them in Mansmokers in a heartbeat. Britney Spears, that little filthy fucking cunt, she lip synchs her songs. They lip synch all their shit, but they put on a phenomenal show, with the monitors and the head spinning and shit, but there is no substance. Michael Ninn puts on a hell of a show. He pioneered the green screen, he pioneered the computer graphics in this business, but the substance, Juli Ashton fucked by Mr. Marcus with a rubber on, that's awesome? Can anyone jerk off to that? I want to jerk off, I'll watch a Rocco movie, I'll watch a fucking John Leslie movie. I'll watch Dogwalker or Drop Sex. Remember that movie, did you like Drop Sex?
Roger T. Pipe Not really.
Rob Black Fuck you, you're a jack off. Come on Rog, you don't like the artsy stuff anyway. You like the Tom Byron stuff. Here's the fucking little cunt, fuck her in her ass, cum on her face, that's it. That's cool, that's you, but I thought Drop Sex was amazing. I got stoned and watched that, it was fantastic. I called Leslie up and told him it was remarkable. John Leslie is way better than Michael Ninn because if you take the special effects away from a Michael Ninn movie, you've got a horrible bland sex tape. It's like old Gourmet shit. Me and Russ are friends now though. He gave me the number of his lawyer. We use the same lawyer now. I like Russ now, but Michael Ninn still sucks. Veronica Hart, whatever that cunt's name is, Jane Hamilton. Fuck her, she's a cunt. She's still a filthy cunt. She's still a forty eight year old, maybe fifty year old cunt who works for someone else and bases her life on her boss giving her a fucking paycheck. Fifty years old, she's been in the business for thirty years and she still can't do more than suck corporate dick. Cunt. Michael Ninn is a cunt. Even though he's a guy, he's a cunt. I love the word cunt.
Roger T. Pipe Paul Thomas?
Rob Black Paul Thomas, yuck. He's all right. He's a cunt, but he's all right. He is the best, pretty-faggy movie maker out there. Seriously. Fuck that faggot Andrew Blake, fuck him. Paul Thomas makes the best, pretty-fag movies out there. If I wanted to do a line like that, I would hire Paul Thomas and I would pay him a lot of money. Nobody does that better. Everything else that Vivid does is crap.
Roger T. Pipe Jonathan Morgan?
Rob Black He's all right. He's a goofy fuck. We actually wanted to hire him and let him be a goofy fuck. I think a lot of these guys are good. The Jonathan Morgans or the Jace Rockers could be good if they were in an environment without handcuffs. If they were allowed to just let loose, they would do some really good shit. They are handcuffed by the condoms, no facials, no religion, no dying, what the fuck do you have left? I have to make this campy comedy about these two guys living with each other and shit. I like the dark comedy stuff. At the end of the Cellar, we shot the midget and the blood splattered all over my face. We killed somebody, but you laughed. I like that shit and I think the majority of America likes that shit because it's what sells. Pulp Fiction and Reservoir Dogs, that is the kind of shit that sells to America. It's that fluffy shit I hate, but they don't suck you know. Roy Karch, he sucks. Morgan doesn't suck. They just can't go where I know they can go. When Morgan was doing all that Anal Ripper stuff at Zane, I liked that. I respect that more than the stuff he does now. That was dark, but Morgan's good. That movie that won all the awards with that broad Serenity, that cunt. I don't like her.
Roger T. Pipe Why?
Rob Black Entertainment stuff. It's like she's not a porn star. You make your money sucking cock, now get your ass in the back and suck cock you cunt. Fuck her, I don't like her. She comes off very arrogant, like she's not a porn star...
Roger T. Pipe Anabolic?
Rob Black Anabolic's Anabolic. They have a good game plan. They did the gang bang stuff, and pioneered the cum in the glass stuff. It was good, but if you watch their stuff, some of the production values are not nearly at the level we have. They do good, filthy stuff. They do like four a month and it's Greg and Chris and his wife running the show out of his house. They are what they are, it's good. They've always been good to me and nice. There shit is what it is.
Roger T. Pipe What about Sean Michaels?
Rob Black What about him? Fuck him. He's a fucking douche bag. We were actually going to hire him and he had the balls to say that he didn't like me because I use the N word. He actually had the balls to say I like Tom Byron but I don't like Rob Black.
Roger T. Pipe Does Sean have a point? Are you a racist?
Rob Black I'm not a racist. I use black people. I have a director, Derek Newblood, he's a fucking schmoog. I just speak how I speak, schmoogies dagos, it don't fucking matter to me. It doesn't mean nothing unless you're personally offended by it and if you are, fuck you. Fuck him. He didn't have the balls to tell me he had a problem with me, he had to say it in an interview. (Someone opens the office door and Rob waves in Derek Newblood.) Derek, he asked me if I'm a racist.
Derek He's about as un-racist as they come.
Rob Black See. He comes to my house. He lived in my house. Tommy shared marijuana with him. I even let him eat off my dishes. What do you think of that? There you go. Fuck Sean Michaels, that Uncle Ben, Minuteman fucking Cream of Wheat man, fuck him. He should have had the balls to come to me and tell me he thought I was racist.
Roger T. Pipe Last guy, Max Hardcore?
Rob Black He's Paul Little man, he's a fucking drunk. Max Hardcore is a filthy piece of shit! But I love blowjobs and he was the first shit I really got into. When he first did those movies with Tiffany Mynx and was just 'fuck you, you cunt' he would jerk off all over their face. That stuff is still great, he's just a drunk piece of shit. He pioneered fucking girls who look like ten and cumming in their faces. No one can take that away from him. AVN should give him some sort of vanguard, lifetime achievement award or something. Regardless of the fact that's he a piece of shit, it don't' fucking matter. He pioneered porn.
He was doing shit when I came out and he created a style that no one has ever given him credit for. I don't care if you like the style or not, you have to credit him with it. They should give him a fucking award for it. Everyone does a teen line, even us, but he was the first.
Roger T. Pipe All right, that covers it.
Rob Black Come on, no one else? I expect more from you.
Roger T. Pipe You've shot on everyone except me.
Tommy Byron We don't shoot on Rog, we love Rog.
Rob Black That's actually true, we do love Rog. Who else? Oh yeah, and Thomas Zupko is a fat fuck. (Rob is yelling now as Zupko passes the office.) Did I tell you about the dead fish we put on his desk? We put two dead fish on Zippo's desk. Oh yeah and Rodney Moore, that six foot four inch jack off. He's always shooting on me and Zippo. We can make fun of Zippo, but no one else can, that hurts our feelings. I hate Rodney Moore.
Roger T. Pipe Anything else?
Rob Black I just wanted to add this, in all sincerity. We hate everyone, but there are a few distributors who have really stuck by us. IVD, Frank the owner of Pleasure Production. General Video has been supportive. They could have turned their backs on us, but they have been great. We thank those people. We thank Tim Connelly at Adam Film World. I am excited about the future her at Extreme, our directors from Luis Cypher to Zippo, the whole team. That's about it. And Rog, seriously, is the best internet guy in the world. No body is a better reviewer, even though he doesn't like my shit.
Roger T. Pipe The end.
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